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2nd Guardianship Hearing

Dec 3rd, 2015

Today I appeared in court again seeking guardianship of Andrea and hoping to finally bring closure to this chapter of events. Patrick and I were optimistic that Andrea would at least be able to come home for Christmas, but that would not happen.

At 8:54am Andrea actually called me and wished me luck. She had told her parents several days prior that she wanted me to be her guardian and I was hopeful that they would not be in court today, but they did arrive, with a lawyer, just after 9:00am. I soon learned her parents were there, not to challenge me for guardianship, but to object to guardianship being appointed to me. They stated that Andrea's current guardian, Michael Gutter, had “issues” with me being appointed guardian and would want his testimony as part of their objection. Mr. Gutter was notified to be in court today but was unable to make it because he was sick.

The judge delayed making any judgement until hearing Michael Gutter's testimony and scheduled another hearing for February 1st, 2016. I am extremely disappointed and do not look forward to telling Patrick about this when he comes home from school today.

Patrice Hayes Chris Ansman
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CHRIS: Andrea called me this morning before court to wish me luck. Patrick was very excited at the possibility of having Andrea home for Christmas. Andrea was looking forward to this as well. You continue to hurt us all and it can no longer be reasoned that you are doing it because “It is what Andrea wanted”. No long letters trying to convince you of anything, but I wish you understood the pain you are causing.

PATRICE: It is not our intention to cause anyone pain. If Andrea gets to come to our house for awhile on Christmas, Patrick and you are welcome to come.

CHRIS: We are not welcome to come. You have told the entire family that I am an abusive sexual deviant who would attempt to end Andrea's life if left alone with her. You are asking me to eat in the lions den and not expect him to bite. I have tried to reach out you. I have tried to be civil to you. I have asked you repeatedly to stop hurting us. Why are you doing this?

Dec 3rd, 2015 thru Dec 24th, 2015

Message to Patrice
Dec 3rd, 2015 11:04pm

I asked Patrice if she would be willing to bring Andrea to our home on Christmas, allowing her the opportunity to spend time with Patrick and I.

Patrice Hayes Chris Ansman
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CHRIS: Andrea and Patrick should see each other on Christmas. I ask that you and/or John bring Andrea to our house on Christmas so that they may spend time together. There will be noone here except Patrick and me. You would be allowing her to spend a short amount of time in her own home with her son in an environment they are both comfortable with. This is a compromise I hope you can agree with.

PATRICE: I would think we would be able to work out something. We were thinking if having Andrea come to our house in the morning when only Renee's family was here so that it wouldn't be too overwhelming for her. We would like for Patrick to be with her for part of that time. You could come too. We could bring Andrea to your house in the afternoon and then take her back to the nursing home where you and Patrick could visit her. We will have to check with the nursing home and get permission from Michael Gutter before we do anything.

PATRICE: We might want to bring Andrea to your house from 9 - 10:30 and then come back to our house. We would take Andrea back to the nursing home between 2 and 3. We are still working out our Christmas plans with the rest of the family.

CHRIS: Thank you. We will work out the details.

Message to Patrice
Dec 21st, 2015 2:29pm

I wanted to see if Patrice was willing to call Michael Gutter, on our behalf, and ask if he would allow me to bring Andrea to our home on Christmas during our visitation hours (just as Andrea's parents were allowed to do). It was absurd for me to expect Patrice to do this, and I did not expect a response, but if she did, it would provide me some insight into what I could expect if Patrice was appointed guardian.

Patrice Hayes Chris Ansman
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CHRIS: Patrick and I would be grateful and Andrea obviously would be as well if you would call Michael Gutter and ask him to remove the restrictions against me so that Patrick and I could bring Andrea to our home for Christmas during our visitation hours just as you are. Mr gutter will not return my lawyer's calls or mine and is also not replying to emails.

PATRICE: We contacted him last week about visiting on Christmas. He said he would let us know this week. I will let you know when I hear from him.

CHRIS: You contacted him about lifting restrictions on me?

PATRICE: No I asked him about Christmas. We had nothing to do with the restrictions he made.

CHRIS: Please do not say that you had nothing to do with the restrictions that are currently in place. We both know that the restrictions are in place because of allegations that you have made. I am also aware that you have communicated with Michael several times and that he will not communicate with me.

I have learned that it is necessary to dissect Patrice's words like a frog in 6th grade science class.

  • Patrice's statement, “No I asked him about Christmas. We had nothing to do with the restrictions he made”, upset me for obvious reasons, they had EVERYTHING to do with it, and she knows that I know this.
  • Patrice's statement, “We contacted him last week about visiting on Christmas. He said he would let us know this week. I will let you know when I hear from him.”, was not written for me. Patrice informed me weeks ago that they were taking Andrea to their house for Christmas, and it is common knowledge (not only by me, but by Pathways staff as well) that Patrice does not need to ask Mr. Gutter for permission of any type. Patrice had already brought Andrea to their home the past two weekends.

Patrice has learned (from me) that all correspondence can be used in court. She made these statements to maintain the appearance that Mr. Gutter is in charge, and they were not the recipients of any special privileges.

Message from John
Dec 22nd, 2015 1:01pm

John sent me a message to inform me that they had talked to Michael Gutter. John stated that Mr. Gutter was willing to allow Andrea to come over to our home, but with two caveats. The first was that Andrea could only visit between 9:00am and 10:30am (conveniently the exact times that Patrice mentioned in my message with her on December 3rd). The second was that he and Patrice accompanied her. John then informs me that they wanted to take Patrick back to their home afterwards.

I have explained my position with them before about allowing Patrick to visit and I was not going override my concerns and allow Patrick to be part of what appeared to be a trade. I explained to them that Patrick and I would visit with Andrea during our scheduled visitation time at the nursing home.

John Hayes Chris Ansman
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JOHN: I heard from Michael Gutter. Andrea can come to your house on Friday. He had two conditions. First, Patrice and I will have to bring her. Second she can only stay from 9:00 to 10:30 am. After that we will take her to our house. We would like to be able to see Patrick at our house. We can take him with us at 10:30 and bring him back to the nursing home for your 3;30 visit time or I can bring him to your house after I take Andrea to Andrea the nursing home.

CHRIS: Thanks for checking and getting back to me. The restrictions he has in place are unwarranted and will hopefully be dealt with by the cabinet. Patrick and I want nothing more than to spend Christmas with Andrea as we normally do, but that is obviously not going to happen. Patrick and I will be staying at my parents home on Christmas Eve and spending Christmas Day there until our visitation with Andrea.

JOHN: Do where should we bring her

CHRIS: I don't understand

JOHN: Sorry for the typo. We can only bring her to your house. We do not have permission to take her any where else. What about Patrick.

CHRIS: You will simply return her to the nursing home and Patrick and I will be there at 315. If you want to visit with Patrick you can at that time.

JOHN: Just for clarification. You do not want us to bring Andrea to your house in the morning.

CHRIS: No. I hope you understand why. Andrea should not need permission to come to her house and I do not require a chaperone to see my wife.

Email to John and Patrice
Dec 24th, 2015 3:10am

I was bothered by John's message, not only the undertone implying the decisions were made by Michael Gutter, but the back-end request to have Patrick spend Christmas with them in exchange for allowing Andrea a short and chaperoned visit with us in her own home during times conducive to John and Patrice's own holiday plans. I need to learn to dismiss their rhetoric, but there are times I feel that I just can't.

I had previously explained to them my position concerning visitation with Patrick outside of my presence. I decided to send them an email restating that position. I admit it was a self-serving attempt to return the sting I felt, and realized I would not receive a response, but I needed to let them know the consequences of not working fairly with me and left no room for me to compromise.

Chris Ansman John Hayes, Patrice Hayes
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John & Patrice,

I feel that I need to explain again my position concerning visitation between Patrick and you. I do not currently have any intentions of allowing Patrick to visit with either of you outside of my presence. This is a parental decision and my reasons were clearly explained to John on October 8th.

Since you were aware of my decision, I believe it was inappropriate for you to tie Andrea's visitation with Patrick on Christmas to him returning to your home following the visit. It gave a strong impression that one was bound to the other.

I have asked numerous times for you to sit down and talk with me in an attempt to work through our issues, but you have refused. Until you are willing to address my concerns over your behavior throughout this process, I simply cannot allow Patrick to visit with you unattended.

Chris

Report of Guardian Ad Litem

Jan 28th, 2016

The court designated Guardian Ad Litem (GAL) visited Pathways to interview Andrea and any medical personnel that works with her. The official report from that visit can be viewed by clicking on the file below.

3rd Guardianship Hearing

Feb 1st, 2016

Judge Annette Karem denied Patrice's petition to be appointed Successor Guardian for Andrea and set a court date of April 25th, 2016 for my petition. I was told that I would receive Guardianship on that day. The Judge also ordered that her current guardian, Michael Gutter, remove all restrictions currently in place and to allow unrestricted access to Andrea's medical records and unrestricted visitation, including, but not limited to taking Andrea out of the nursing facility.

While this part of the ordeal appears to be over, I still have concern that Andrea's parents will continue their attempts to undermine me. I also realize that we are only at the beginning of a long and uncertain road in Andrea's recovery.

Documents

Joint Custody

Oct 11th, 2016

Patrice Hayes Chris Ansman
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PATRICE: I would like to pick up Andrea at NeuroRestorative on Thursday. I will take her to the zoo and Patrick and you can meet us there.

CHRIS: I do not believe we should continue individual visitation outside the home. It makes it feel like Andrea is the child of divorce and reinforces that our families our separate entities. I believe it would be more helpful for Andrea if we act as normal families do and meet and do things as a family.

PATRICE: I do not think of Andrea as a child. Before Andrea had her problems we often would do things together like shopping, cooking, going to lunch etc. This is how normal families act. I often do things with Renee that don't include Lee. I feel it is very important for her to be able to continue to do those things that she enjoys. I used to ask Andrea herself if she wanted to do those things. Now I ask you because she has a hard time talking on the phone and is not always aware of your schedule. I don't want I dividing visitations with Andrea, I just want to do the things with her that I user to do.

CHRIS: We would all like to be able to do the things with Andrea that we were once able to do. Those times are gone and are now resigned to memories. You made a statement several weeks back that this is not the Andrea we knew and unfortunately you are correct. Andrea is a different person now. It is my responsibility to try and create a new life with her and Patrick, and I can only tell you that the separate visitation makes me uncomfortable. I can give you many reasons why, and I will if you wish, but believe it will only cause us further divide and feel you will only tell me I should not dwell on the past. Our lives have been irrevocably broken and I do not believe you acknowledge or accept the role you played in that. The fact is Andrea is brain damaged because you ignored my warnings and pleas to help her, did not take her to the hospital immediately after telling you she was an alcoholic (or at least monitor her after her admission) and she drank throughout the night and morning causing her liver to fail. To further complicate matters, medical and DCBS records state that John and you were aware of Andrea’s drinking and that you knew she was stealing alcohol from you, but that “You were not sure how best to help her.” I do not believe you thought or intended this to happen, but it did, and now Patrick, Andrea and I have to try to pick up the pieces and move forward.

I have tried my hardest to allow you all to continue to be part of our lives without mandating that you answer for the things you did and did not do, but I have just reached a point where that is no longer possible. I am trying my best to help Andrea recover and resume a life worth living, I do not want to deal with the pressures of you questioning her about what I have said about you. Something that she has told me that you have done and only underscores the divide between us. I know you have tried to be respectful towards me since I obtained guardianship, but I cannot forget the lies, manipulation and hatred you exposed Patrick and I to during the most difficult period of our lives.

I want you to remain part of her life, but your judgement and handling throughout this ordeal was wrong and meant more to control and punish rather than help. I am not going to allow the situation to spiral out of control again or put Andrea in a position where she feels she has to choose sides. Andrea is happy and progressing. We need that to continue.

I feel my request is reasonable and for now it stands, but will keep an open mind, something you never afforded me.